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You can't necessarily "convince" them, but you can certainly attempt to.

worst case you guys get into a scream match (edited)

In the end, that is respectful to them - as it would be respectful to anybody.

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Speak to them calmly, explain your problems and why you are having them, and hear them out if they have a reason for doing so.

this is odd though, usually tupps are nice out of box

That may also solve other potential issues that they are having, which they have not expressed to you yet for some reason.

Plan B is a try to layout a template personality for them. I didn't want to initially, but it may become inevitable

>this plan oof

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too late for that B

<Ponytail> ffs, people's personalities aren't determined by someone saying "you are x"

you don't necessarily have to outright direct them to a specific personality, simply teaching them values should suffice (without restricting their autonomy)

<Ponytail> I'll prove it right now

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<Ponytail> Hey, MeowDude

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<Ponytail> You're exclusively gay

Me: AJ you are going to be super nice all the time now AJ: No why would I do that?

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I AM NOT GAY

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IT IS NOT FUNNY MAN STOP IT NOT GAY I AM NOT GAY

<Ponytail> oh no, how could this deviation happen

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<Ponytail> ty for demonstrating, meowdude

@metanomial there is no circumstance under which that would "become inevitable"

but for the record, I am NOT a homosexual. I love gays, but I am not one okay, I am not gay. I love females and only females

or be helpful in any way

Nah? okay

<Ponytail> Or if I go, "bduddy, you're sadistic" I think he'd probably just at best say something mean and hurtful as opposed to becoming a sadist

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<Ponytail> Just talk to your tulpa

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<Ponytail> communication with them is literally the only benefit to having one, starting out

It is communication in what is meant to be an equal partnership - not a master/automaton relationship.

there are many MANY more benefits down the road

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oh fuck that came off the wrong way

I'm not so concerned with them having a personality I don't like. I can get along with them. You just have to realize that I'm not approaching tulpamancy from a companionship context like I think most are. But perhaps I should

or perhaps... the right way...

<Ponytail> points to the window. Defenestrate yourself

What approach are you taking?

More of a utility approach. I thought it would be handy to have a second consciousness that had different skills, perspectives, and interests than my own so we could play off of eachother.

so... a friend?

<Ponytail> idk about you, but I hate just being a second opinion

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<Ponytail> also, tulpa will probably not be all that different from you unless you allow them alot of freedom and time

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so... a tool? :/

I think I know what he is saying

Not a second opinion or tool. I wanted them to be an equal eventually (which is why I brought up the tug-of-war thing). More like a parent having high hopes for a kid.

he is describing a friend

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just say friend

@metanomial Approaching it from a companionship perspective should benefit you greatly.

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Keep in mind that the tulpa is not you.

Sure, friend. But a friend who does things beyond be there as a social buddy

they would give me another view point on things we could play off of eachother you are describing conversation, you want someone to talk to, you want a friend

No, but the tulpa should be capable of doing everything you do, right?

It will not be a "second consciousness" for yourself - rather a secondary perspective which is... effectively "independent" from yours, to a large extent.

<Ponytail> ... so a companion?

BOOM and we go full circle

Treating them as a companion rather than as more of a tool will help with both development, enrich your experience, and... generally make the entire thing better in a holistic sense.

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It certainly won't harm any of the goals you just stated.

<Ponytail> or I'm just being a pain and forcing the circle when it's actually an oval

Winter how do you feel about the waifu view point? I see it a lot and was curious, does it make much difference?

And, yes. From a technical perspective, they should be equally capable of doing the same tasks as you share procedural and semantic memory - however, preference and familiarity with actually doing what you know how to do, do affect the efficacy of actually acting.

<Ponytail> waifus should be banned waifu tulpa is currently holding the account

Yeah, I should probably treat them more like a companion until they are grown enough as an individual to say "hey, you wanna help out with this thing IRL?"

I find making a tulpa as a "waifu" to be extraordinarily stupid and quite selfish.

creating a tulpa with the intent of them being your waifu undermines their freedom as an individual

Waifus.... Pfff

ha that makes me laugh

But, in the end, my primary consideration is how the person intends to treat the tulpa, moreso than their base motivation for making one.

well that only makes me feel better about my choice

<Ponytail> all tulpa creation reasons are selfish. It's a matter of whether or not you're being an ass

If they intend to make them a "waifu" or similar, then there is a problem. If they want a "waifu" but still make a tulpa with the intent of having them develop and giving them the option to become such, then there is no issue.

shrugs personally I went the companion/friendo path, but we both ended up wanting to take it to another level

<Ponytail> pls

she's super jealous, I love it

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to an increidble extent. People tell me it's no good but I enjoy it

If that happens without being forced, that's lovely.

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I hope that the people involved have fun (including you, @Deleted User).

martyrboy just treat them like a buddy, tell them you love them, but no homo, and that they are free to be whatever they wish and that you will support them all the way [insert wholesome smile]

<Ponytail> treat them like a... bduddy

me and my tupp started off as just friends, but that progressed with her, and now we are inseparable. I obsess over her and visa versa, there is so much potential in this, anything can happen and what's exciting is that at a certain point it isn't at all up to you!

<Ponytail> in a very literal sense, a tulpa is a soulmate. Perhaps not a romantice one, but you are stuck with tehm

Yeah. I should focus on that more

it could be a romantic one

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Put simply.

6:09 AM

Treating them as a companion has nothing but benefits for your intended goals, @metanomial, and has other benefits outside your intended goals as well.

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Therefore, logically, there is no reason to not do so, and every reason to do so.

@Bethel🌸 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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(but yeah, soulmate, pretty much)

soul mates soul mates ha ha ha so cute hahahahaa

It is, at minimum, a permanent partnership.

It's like AJ is level 1 vocality again today. Should I be worried? Maybe I've been parroting her this whole time, I might have been, I was... wait no because she has been talking, it's spooky because I don't know, and at the same time this might just be an off day for her. Am I overthinking this?

yes

I'm not sure what you mean by level 1 vocality, but if you're unsure whether something said by her was actually her or just you parroting her, you could just ask her you know

I did ask, she did nothing. she has been occasionally moving and stuff, nodding her nead some times, but I don't know. assuming she is usually at 100%., this is like 2% for her.

4:29 AM

I need to relax, also level 1 vocality means, like, how a tupp talks on day one of vocality, the occasional yes or no, a bit fuzzy, etc.

ah ok

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how old is AJ?

Sometimes you need to slow down. Cat has the same problems, only she bulldozes me mentally and blocks the thought pipe.

she blocks you from being able to think?

It happens more often then you would expect...

2 weeks 1 day, she said her first words on day 4, and had been giving me emotional bleed and stuff since like day 2. She has been fast as shit, and I remember having this same dilemma earlier and I when I asked her to say something on her own she spoke entire sentences just fine, so I was at peace. But this, this is just out of character.

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I have the exact opposite issue, I often get ear worms that play on a loop over and over and they block out all thoughts from either me or her. I have to complete the songs satisfyingly or they don't stop.

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I hate earworms

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but I love music

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usually I just have to fill in the blank parts I forgot of the song with notes and lyrics that end it properly and it stops